[00:00] Tim Ferriss: Even if you are in a very difficult set of circumstances, these types of exercises in writing, using these questions as prompts can bring up ideas that would never otherwise occur to you as options.

[00:19] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Welcome to another episode of Success Through Failure, the Show for Successful People and for those who want to become successful, the only show that reveals the true.

[00:29] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Nature of success. This is your host, Jim Harshaw, Jr. And today, I’m bringing you a rewind. This is the first time I’ve ever republished an episode. Why would I do this? Well, have you ever read a book twice because it was so good. Or you read a book and then you have, you know, notes and underlines and highlights, and every time you go back and you flip through the book and you reread those things, you just get more and more out of it.

[00:51] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: For me, probably the book I do, I’ve done that with the most, is How to Win Friends and Influence People. I’ve just read and reread that book so many times, and I have so many underlines and writings in the margins, and, and I, every time I actually flip through it, I actually get more out of it, and I, I’m underlining more and highlighting more and taking more notes.

[01:09] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Well, I’m gonna do this today with one of my favorite interviews ever, and this is with Tim Ferriss. Now, if you don’t know who Tim Ferriss is and you’ve been living under a rock, he is a five time number. One New York Times bestselling author, and he has a huge podcast and he’s a pretty big influencer, pretty incredible guy, just in terms of the way he thinks and the way he has systems and frameworks around thinking and solving problems, and.

[01:37] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: I feel what I got out of him in this episode. Actually, I broke this interview into two episodes three years ago when I published it, and I’m bringing it to you today in one single episode. But what I’ve done is really distilled down his frameworks and his thinking into a really condensed version of Tim Ferriss.

[01:57] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: You don’t have to go listen to all of his podcasts and, and read all of his books to get what you’re going to get out of this when you listen to this episode. It’s just the condensed really good stuff. And I’ve talked to so many listeners recently who have said they didn’t even know I interviewed Tim, and so I wanna bring this back up.

[02:15] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: For those of you who have never listened to it or didn’t know I interviewed Tim, and for those of you who have actually listened to this episode before, I encourage you to give this one another listen, because just like reviewing that old book that you’ve read before that you loved, you’re gonna get so much more out of this episode the second time around.

[02:32] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: The topics we discussed have become even more relevant and more timely in the years since the interview. We talk about productivity, we talk about morning routines, we talk about investing, and of course, success through failure. So if you know a friend who likes Tim Ferriss, who listens to his podcast or reads his books, give this one a share.

[02:51] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Episode 406 is my new episode here with Tim Ferriss. And I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this. Share your thoughts, you know, reactions to this episode. Uh, you can tweet at me or you can comment on any posts of mine on Twitter or Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram. I look forward to engaging with you, hearing your thoughts on this episode.

[03:10] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: What are your biggest takeaways? And is there anything in here you’re like, man, that doesn’t work for me. Anything that you would rebut that Tim actually shares? So, all right, here we go. Rewind my interview from 2020 with Tim Ferriss.

[03:22] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Most of my listeners know who you are. They know that you are an experimenter, you’re a person who’s tested a lot of routines.

[03:32] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Like to think of them as peak performance routines, just for, for the average person, right? Uh, not the, not the athlete necessarily, but I wanna hear from you, Tim. Like you hear about morning routines, you talk about, you hear about people who, you know, you gotta wake up at 5:00 AM and then meditation, yoga, exercise, bulletproof coffee, writing, journaling, eating protein right away, or intermittent fasting.

[03:51] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Like what for you

[03:53] Tim Ferriss: has stuck. I think as, uh, as context, I wanna say a few things. Number one is that if you were to take all of the optimized morning routines of the people you respect and layer them on top of one another, your morning is gonna last until 4:00 PM So you, right, you really have to pick and choose.

[04:11] Tim Ferriss: Number two is that, I think one of the misconceptions perhaps about me is that I use routines to become super optimized, but that’s not my first priority. Much like with weight training, my first priority is to decrease the likelihood of injury, not increase performance. For me with routines, I need stability or at least predictability, certainty in the form of routines to get to normal.

[04:40] Tim Ferriss: And I just want to make that point cause I think it’s very important and that is at least my impression of what we call normal. Societally is someone who is reasonably emotionally stable, sort of energetically, reasonably stable, et cetera, et cetera. The things that you might put in that category of normal.

[04:58] Tim Ferriss: And I have a very extensive history of struggling with depression, although in the last four to five years, I’d say six years, really, that’s improved dramatically. And I can speak to that, but I’ve had a lot of struggles that have caused me to have chaotic days. And chaotic days have caused me to have worse symptoms related to depression and anxiety.

[05:22] Tim Ferriss: But I need routines and structure to get to normal. And so I think that’s, that’s what I’d wanna say first. Some of the things that have stuck for me, at least, if I’m looking right now at my routines, for instance, routines, Equal sanity and the more uncertain your life seems, the more valuable certain levels of predictability are.

[05:43] Tim Ferriss: So I have a few things. Number one, consistent breakfast, right? I don’t pick and choose as if I’m at a buffet line. In some type of gourmet restaurant, I have standard meals that I tend to rotate through. I have standard teas that I tend to rotate through in the morning when I’m feeling overwhelmed. My go-to meditation is not guided meditation because I find my mind to just be too.

[06:09] Tim Ferriss: Stochastic and all over the place, it would be transcendental meditation. So 20 minutes of TM repeating a mantra, which is a word I dislike, but it could just as easily be a simple word like nature, or it could be a phrase like, no struggle. It could be any number of things. Repeating that to give your mind a break from the other noise that might be generated without that type of overriding signal.

[06:32] Tim Ferriss: Right? So triol meditation would be one during times of overwhelm. Another would be cold exposure or alternating temperature therapy of some type. It could be hot bath to cold shower. I happen to have a pool, a small pool, but nonetheless it’s still pretty chilly. So I’m using that. I have a chest freezer that I use once that gets too warm as we get a pretty reasonably inexpensive chest freezer.

[06:59] Tim Ferriss: And please talk to a proper electrician before you do anything. I do not wanna be responsible. I’m not responsible for anyone who electrocutes themselves by our chest freezer. Uh, this is actually based on something, uh, former mm m a fighter Kyle Kingsbury has done, which is modify caulk and modify a simple chest freezer, which you can get for 200 bucks, 300 bucks to be used as a constant temperature.

[07:25] Tim Ferriss: Cold plunge. Uh, so that, that would be another. And then if I’m feeling exceptionally under duress and, um, this is not to blame external factors, but if, if I feel like I am just unstable for some reason, or having an acute stress response to something that shouldn’t produce such an acute stress response, does that make sense?

[07:48] Tim Ferriss: Like I’ve, I’ve had for instance, a lot, this is gonna sound ridiculous and I apologize in advance if it sounds obnoxious, but I’ve had a lot of stress around finances come up in the last week. I mean, sure. Acute financial worry, and it makes no sense to me if I look at on paper, My circumstances. It makes no sense.

[08:08] Tim Ferriss: Right. So there’s there’s more to the story than just what’s on the paper. Yeah, right. Something internal. Exactly. So to try to sort through that, I think morning Pages, which are most famously from a book called The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron. But the practice of morning pages is a fantastic way, the term she uses of enabling spiritual windshield wipers or just taking your monkey mind and trapping it on paper so that you can take a break from whatever that loop is that you happen to be caught in.

[08:41] Tim Ferriss: And morning pages, therefore is another safety net that I use on a regular basis. And we, we could spend an entire episode talking about exercise, but ultimately mind and body separation. This sort of Cartesian duality is, I think completely artificial. I don’t think that’s, Controversial so you can affect your mental state and biochemistry neurochemistry through exercise, so getting at least an hour or two of walking in per day.

[09:15] Tim Ferriss: I could speak to the benefits of, say, strength training, which I also do. I could speak to the benefits of high intensity interval interval training, which I do these days on a peloton. But walking itself, I mean, we are evolved to walk that We’ve made many, many evolutionary trade-offs to be able to walk long distances.

[09:33] Tim Ferriss: And Ido think there is an intrinsic therapeutic value to walking, at least for me, at least an hour or two a day. And if I look at my sleep quality, it is directly correlated with the amount of walking, not necessarily the intensity of exercise or chloric expenditure, but walking specifically. Now that could be false causality where it has nothing to do with the walking, it’s that I’m outside getting sun.

[09:57] Tim Ferriss: I mean, who knows? Sure. Right. But nonetheless, those are a handful of things that come to mind offhand as real bedrocks. But that is to say none of these are rocket science. And I think that when I get myself into trouble, and conversely, when I am doing best functioning at what. Some people might consider a very high level, it’s because I am consistently not doing, or consistently doing a handful of foundational things.

[10:33] Tim Ferriss: It is not because I have some like secret Tibetan monk groin stretch that I do on a of nails while drinking a special poo air tea that enables these sinks. It’s the fundamentals.

[10:46] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Yeah. And for my listeners, you know, I talk about core habits like, you know, the the 80/20 rule, right? It’s like what are the few things that give you the most results?

[10:53] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: And uh, oftentimes it’s sleep, nutrition, and exercise. Like those are the foundational things. And then building off that, it tends to be things like journaling or prayer or other things like that. Meditation. Yep. That, that are sort of somewhat secondary. So it sounds like, Tim, what you’re saying is y you don’t have this specific rote routine.

[11:11] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: You wake up at X time and you do A, B, C, D, E, and then you are perfect for the day. It’s a set of tools in your tool belt it sounds like. Is that right?

[11:19] Tim Ferriss: Well, it is a set of tools. I do have a fairly predictable morning routine right now. I’ll just tell you, it changes quite a lot depending on circumstances.

[11:27] Tim Ferriss: So if I’m traveling and I’m living out of a hotel or at a friend’s house in a guest room, it’s different than when I’m at home, for instance. But right now I wake up between seven and seven 30. Uh, and depending on the day, will either take my dog for a walk outside for about 45 minutes, first thing, or I’ll do it around noon.

[11:47] Tim Ferriss: So it’s sort of an A or B schedule depending on what I need to do. In the morning work-wise, and then I come downstairs, I make my dog food. I put sardine oil over that, like I crack wild planet sardines. I take those sardines, I put them into the refrigerator because I just find that chilled sardines are more appetizing later than room temperature.

[12:12] Tim Ferriss: Sardines. Yeah. Uh, then I have a shake, which is just with cold water, with ascent protein as a whey protein isolate. And Athletic Greens, which is a green supplement. Take a number of supplements. I could talk to what those are, but it’s quite a lot in terms of the supplement department right now. Then I will sit down and have a cup of tea.

[12:38] Tim Ferriss: I will have been steeping water, or rather heating water, and then steeping tea while I’m having the shake and so on. And then I will do a one of several things, right? So this block of time is then reserved for phone calls with friends. Generally asking questions if we’re trying to both make tactical decisions.

[12:57] Tim Ferriss: So right now a lot of, a lot of my friends are trying to decide to make decisions around finances and investing to invest or not to invest. If to invest, how to invest, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? And even if no action is taken, it’s an excuse in a pretext for having a conversation with my friends, which has been great.

[13:16] Tim Ferriss: And

[13:16] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: having a conversation and connecting, but also talking about something that can bring you value in addition to just the relationship, I

[13:23] Tim Ferriss: should say. Yeah, yeah, totally. And and I would say, you know, as we were discussing before we hit record, that whatever cracks you have or whatever issues you think you’ve dealt with that you perhaps believed you tightly compartmentalized and locked away, often come to the surface.

[13:39] Tim Ferriss: So you have the opportunity to sort of try to digest like five years of therapy in a short period of time, or it can just get foot stomped into the lunchbox that is your. Psyche, and it’s the, so you can deal with it or you view it as an opportunity or you can view it as punishment, but either way you’re going to have to deal with it.

[14:01] Tim Ferriss: And the reason I say this in the context of this conversation with my friends is that if you really want to get to the heart of someone’s vulnerabilities, insecurities, beliefs, and so on, fears, desires, talking about money and sex are the two fastest ways to get there. Sure. And uh, like if, if they have a talk therapist they’ve used for 10, 20 years, but they haven’t talked a lot about those two things, then as soon as they talk to someone deeply about either topic, a lot comes to the surface.

[14:31] Tim Ferriss: So in a way, the using the vehicle of talking about investing is a way to safely talk about fears and hopes. For friends to point out where other friends are just completely off base for making terrible assumptions about life. The ripple effects of talking about investing I find to be much broader than investing alone.

[14:59] Tim Ferriss: Okay, so flash forward. I have basically middle of the days of can be a free for all right? Because it depends a lot on what comes up these days. Then dinner with my girlfriend every night. Very often we have a ritual At dinner, there’s a particular candle we light. There’s a way that we set up the table.

[15:13] Tim Ferriss: We’re using a table that is different from our normal table right now cuz the kitchen has effectively become my office, uh, since my, my girlfriend has the real office in the house. And that is our wind down procedure. We put on glasses for blocking blue light and we have then after that, very often a sauna.

[15:36] Tim Ferriss: Which also has some health implications, uh, that, uh, I think are beneficial right now that have a small barrel sauna, which are surprisingly affordable. And then we’ll watch something to wind down. And we have a different series for weekdays, which happens to be the amazing Mrs. Maisel versus the week end.

[15:54] Tim Ferriss: So we very, we made a conscious decision. This was my girlfriend’s recommendation to delineate between weekdays and weekends to change our behaviors. And so that a little less like Groundhog Day, at least on a, on a weekly basis. Yeah. So, so there are things, there are particular constants day-to-day, but it’s not totally Vulcan military time.

[16:16] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Yeah. So if I were to ask you this question six months from now, or six months ago, what were your routines or what, you know, your routines will be in six months from now? Like, would those be 90% the same with maybe some evolution? Like are the, are you constantly evolving that the routines that you do.

[16:34] Tim Ferriss: I’m constantly testing. I hesitate to use the word evolve simply because tests don’t always work out. So sometimes it’s devolving and, uh, you, you try things and they end up being counterproductive and you then take stock and you reset. And I mean, I’ve certainly made, I mean, you can view it as mistakes or you can view it as I’ve, I’ve made decisions learned from those decisions.

[16:59] Tim Ferriss: I’ve run experiments and some have produced the results I hoped and others have not. Others produce results that are better than I could have hoped. And in the case of routines, Basically there’s a list of, let’s just say 10 things that I know consistently contribute to better days if I were to try to measure my day in some way, such as, say Jim Collins does.

[17:23] Tim Ferriss: So he has his sort of negative one emotional balance, zero plus one. And if you were to look at your daily emotional experience and rate them on a simple scale like that, if I look at those in the plus column, they consistently have, let’s just say arbitrarily at least three of those 10 elements, right?

[17:45] Tim Ferriss: And those elements could be. Journaling, those elements could be long conversation with friend or podcasts that I’m pleased with. That could be walking one to two hours. Could be sex, it could be, uh, intense exercise, for instance. Right? An exercise session. I don’t need to hit all of these, but if I don’t hit at least three or four, I’m making that number up.

[18:11] Tim Ferriss: My days are more likely to be a zero or a negative one. Yeah. And the last thing I’ll say for now is that Ireally firmly believe, and I didn’t come up with this expression, but if you win the morning, you win the day. So I pay the most attention to the morning as my boot up sequence for the day. If that gets hijacked in some fashion, if I break, for instance, my phone tends to go on airplane mode.

[18:36] Tim Ferriss: Uh, and actually, Pre covid and when this winds down a little bit in terms of my own personal overwhelm, cause I have hundreds and hundreds of inbound text messages and so on from friends. So my time on phone has increased. But typically I would put my phone on airplane mode around say seven or 8:00 PM and not take it off of airplane mode until at earliest 10 or 11:00 AM the next day.

[19:05] Tim Ferriss: And if I violate that, I get myself into trouble. That is where it can negatively impact my sleep. That’s where, for instance, I might get some phone call from a person I’ve been hoping to connect with. I take it at 8:00 AM right after getting up, this actually happened to me and my friend’s having a panic attack about something.

[19:23] Tim Ferriss: In this case, he was caught in New York City and it was just this avalanche of concerns, worries, panic, panic, thoughts, requests. First thing in the morning and it screwed up my day, or I should say, it caused me internally to screw up my own day for the next 10 to 12 hours. I was a real mess. So that boot up sequence in the morning, which is how I think of it, is really sacred and paramount in my daily experience.

[19:55] Tim Ferriss: And

[19:56] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Ijust wanna encourage the listen to think back to what Tim said in the very beginning here, like if you layered all these world class performers, you know, all their, their sort of routines on top of another one, another, you know, you’d be doing these routines until 4:00 PM So pick what works for you, test and iterate.

[20:09] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Yeah. And I wanna go back to that, Tim, cuz you said you test and sometimes you realize they’re a mistake, sometimes you fail, sometimes they’re wrong. So I wanna talk about failure from that, like, How has failure factored into your success? And, and how do you view failure? And I wanna preface that by saying, like everybody says, yeah, failure’s, uh, you know, necessary step on the path to success and failure is good and fail forward and blah, blah, blah, blah.

[20:32] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Like, I think a lot of people say that, but they don’t actually believe it. You do so much testing and iterating mm-hmm. That you have to believe it just by virtue of all of the tests that you do. But I’m just curious of, of your experiences with failure and your views on it.

[20:47] Tim Ferriss: Failure to me is, let’s think about two things side by side.

[20:53] Tim Ferriss: So risk, if I think about risk, risk is the likelihood of an irreversible negative outcome. To me, and the way I define that then dictates how I think about risk in many different areas. And most people who talk about risk tolerance don’t actually take the time to define risk for themselves. What does that actually mean?

[21:13] Tim Ferriss: Does it mean volatility? Does it mean things moving up and down? If so, what does that represent? Right? What are we actually talking about when we talk about risk? Failure is similar just in the way that people say, I just wanna be successful. And that’s, I think, utterly unhelpful and very often counterproductive.

[21:29] Tim Ferriss: Unless it’s defined really well. Failure should also be defined really well. So step number one, whether it’s for my own navigation of life or for other people, is to define what failure looks like. What is failure to you? And I’m not talking about on a macro level, it’s like, let’s look at the last year.

[21:47] Tim Ferriss: What would you put in the failure category? And then look for patterns. What makes those failures? It’s easy to fetishize failure and uh, as you said, you know, a lot of people are like, oh yeah, you got like million failures and this, that, and the other thing, and then you have your success. It’s not inevitable that if you fail a lot, you’re going to succeed later.

[22:03] Tim Ferriss: I should say. There are people who fail their entire lives. Yeah, and I think the difference that I see, at least in those who fail from a conventional perspective, and I’m gonna come back to that, who ultimately have very large successes, there is an element of luck. I’m not gonna deny that, but they view failure as feedback.

[22:25] Tim Ferriss: In other words, they really treat their approach to life in a very scientific way. And that is none of us can predict the future. Most of us have very narrow bands of expertise, if any, and the world is full of unknowns. So you have to form a. Hypothesis. I think maybe if I do X, then Y at Z point in time, and then you test.

[22:50] Tim Ferriss: And if it works, you try it again or you tweak it. If it doesn’t work at all, maybe you try it again. Maybe if it fails twice, okay, then you abandon it or you modify it. And in that sense, uh, the people who I see and, and I’ve tried to certainly do this in my own life, to benefit from failure, take a lot of time to do post-game analysis on things that go wrong or things that turn out differently from what they anticipate.

[23:18] Tim Ferriss: Right. And I was, I was chatting recently with a very, very high level investor and he said, the important thing is to make no tier decisions and no tier decisions means you make decision based on your current information and assumptions, and then you assess the results. But if we look at, for instance, my first home purchase in California, this was around early 2008, and, uh, great time to buy a house.

[23:46] Tim Ferriss: Great time to buy a house, and it was a stretch for me to buy this house. And I bought the house with an adjustable rate mortgage like a lot of people did. And then what happened? Most of us know who are, a lot of us who are listening, unless you’re very young, know that the bottom fell out and the prices plummeted.

[24:10] Tim Ferriss: So I ended up. On the, on the wrong side of the trade, so to speak. I was, I was in a very bad position because the asset price of this first home, which was a real emotionally loaded high price decision for me, dropped. I’m on an an adjustable rate mortgage. I’m self-employed and. There was a lot at the time I felt to worry about.

[24:32] Tim Ferriss: Now there’s part of me that said, I can hold this indefinitely, no problem. Turned out my confidence in being able to do that was not reflected in my actual emotional response and it, it became very, very stressful. I decided to actually move to San Francisco to rent. An apartment because I wanted to seek opportunity there.

[24:56] Tim Ferriss: So there, there are a couple of things if we look back at my decision making. So I felt like there was more opportunity for me, social and professional in San Francisco. This is a about, uh, so I actually bought the house in 2007. I take it back, I bought it in 2007. So I, I’ve thought that I wanted to place myself geographically where I could have a larger surface area for luck.

[25:18] Tim Ferriss: That just means that I would have the interesting higher likelihood of chance encounters that could be very, very interesting to me personally and professionally. And San Francisco was that place. And I also thought to myself, well, I have a mortgage to pay. I can find a relatively inexpensive place in San Francisco.

[25:36] Tim Ferriss: Why don’t I rent my place at the time in San Jose and found a management company? Cause I knew I didn’t wanna manage renters. To handle this. And it turned out to be a huge pain in the ass, even with the management company. And this dragged on for a while. The renters turned out and there, there are great tenants out there.

[25:57] Tim Ferriss: Look, I’ve been a tenant, I’ve had other great tenants at other points in time, but these tenants were just terrible, right? They said, oh yeah, great. You can keep all your stuff in here. No worries. Cause I didn’t wanna have to put stuff into storage. And then they moved in, they’re like, Hey, get your stuff out.

[26:10] Tim Ferriss: We, we don’t want your master bed and all this stuff. And once you have tenants in California, like they might as well own your house. So I was stuck in a very awkward position. I sold the house something like six months or nine months later at a, at a huge loss. Uh, or at, for me, what was a huge loss. Now.

[26:29] Tim Ferriss: Yeah, what’s important here is not. To look at that and say, well, it was a failure and we all learned from failures and life moves on. For me, I spent a lot of time thinking about what happened and looking back at this, and there were a couple of things that I gleaned from this. So the first is, I think it was someone like Henry Ford, although Henry Ford, Abraham Lincoln and Oscar Wild get all the quotes on the internet who said, I’ll let you set the price if I can set the terms.

[27:03] Tim Ferriss: So this was the first example of really getting screwed because I paid too much attention to the price and not enough attention to the terms. Hmm. So lesson number one was pay incredible attention to terms. And how they can change with worst case scenarios. So that was lesson number one. Lesson number two was I didn’t need to make back the money I had lost in the way that I lost it.

[27:31] Tim Ferriss: And that is I had been holding onto this house, dealing with these tenants and so on, because I said, well, I’ve lost X number of dollars, few hundred thousand dollars in value and I wanna make that back, or at least cover all my costs and then sell later at a higher price. But what I realized is that you don’t need to make money back in the same asset class or the same way that you lost it.

[27:54] Tim Ferriss: In fact, one could argue if you were so ill-equipped or had such poor decision making that you lost all that money in the first place, maybe that’s not where you should focus on making the money back. So I realized that you can make money back. In a different method than that through which you lost it.

[28:11] Tim Ferriss: Right. That’s really, really important. So I sold at a loss, which I’m glad I did because it freed up my attention to focus on my strengths instead of my weaknesses. That’d be one example, right? The four hour work week, the first book of mine was rejected. I always lose track. I lose track cause it’s a high number.

[28:29] Tim Ferriss: I was rejected by 27 publishers, something like that. Wow. And with each of those rejections, once I was actually in New York and pitching these publishers and getting rejected, I would always ask my agent at the time and getting my agent was a whole separate story. Cause I was also turned down by a bunch of agents.

[28:49] Tim Ferriss: Why did you turn this down? Like thank you so much for taking the time. I really appreciate it because we want to improve the book or kill it, improve the pitch or drop it. Could you please share with us any feedback? Things we could improve, things that rubbed you the wrong way. It’s definitely learning from that rejection.

[29:09] Tim Ferriss: That’s right. And you know, watching the video in a sense. Right. Doing your best to kind of get the video of the match Right. To use. I used to watch a lot of video and back in the day when I was wrestling, although I’m not sure I wanna embarrass myself by getting into that, but the point is by the time I got to the last pitch, I had so much feedback that the last pitch is what got the contract for the four hour work week.

[29:36] Tim Ferriss: And it was treating failure as feedback and taking the time to really solicit that feedback process it unemotionally when possible, and then tweak. That I think enabled a lot of this and there’s a whole long list. I remember the first startup investment I ever made was in this startup. I had decided in advance that I would allocate, cause I’d always fantasize about going to business school, but I decided after going through the application, a few process a few times that it just didn’t make sense for a whole bunch of reasons we could talk about, it does make sense for a lot of people, but I’d always fantasized about Stand Stanford Business School and I decided, well, what if I took, you know, the 120 K that I would’ve spent outta my own pocket to go there for two years?

[30:22] Tim Ferriss: It’s expensive. It’s probably even more now. And created a sort of a virtual Tim Ferriss fund for learning how to invest in startups and that. So that would mean if we spread it out, Over two years, that would mean 60 K per year. Well, I got so excited about this first startup that I was considering investing in, which I did alongside someone more experienced that I decided to put in 50 K.

[30:48] Tim Ferriss: Now, you can see the problem here because you need to build a portfolio, or one could argue, especially in the early state startup game, you need need to build a portfolio so every startup can return the fund. Yeah. So to speak. If they win and you need enough bets so that if there’s a high fatality rate, that you stand a chance of succeeding.

[31:06] Tim Ferriss: Well, I screwed that all up and that startup went to zero. Wow. Uh, in very short order. So I had to then, Work around it. But the question, so I think what you derive, the value you derive from failure, if we’re thinking about feedback still is directly related to the types of questions you ask yourself. So some of the questions I asked myself were, all right, what were the mistakes I made and why did I make them?

[31:30] Tim Ferriss: Right? So it’s not enough to identify your mistakes. You wanna look at the ingredients that led up to that, that mistake, right? And the mistake I made was bed size. Ichose a very, uh, much too large of a bed size. And so I wanted to try to deconstruct why I made that mistake. All right? I got really excited about it and didn’t consider the worst case scenario.

[31:54] Tim Ferriss: I didn’t consider what I would need to do if it didn’t work out. So Idid a deep dive into that. And then one of the other questions I would ask is, okay, well you committed to two years. What the hell are you gonna do? So if this is still the Tim Ferris fund, how are you gonna make this work? Notice I didn’t ask can this work?

[32:14] Tim Ferriss: I asked, how can you make this work? Yeah.

[32:16] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Interesting choice of words. There’s a difference there, but it’s a subtle difference. But it’s a difference.

[32:19] Tim Ferriss: Yeah. Subtle but huge difference. Sure. And that is for brainstorming. It’s not to come up with the final perfect solution, but to brainstorm possible ways.

[32:29] Tim Ferriss: And ultimately that led to deciding to pitch myself as, and operate as not just an an investor, but as an advisor, which would be sweat equity. And that means I’d be putting in time and getting equity over a period of, say, A year or two, maybe once a quarter or something like that, instead of putting in money.

[32:53] Tim Ferriss: And so that changed the lens through which I looked at the startup investing entirely. It no longer became just startup investing, but startup advising. And that’s where some of my biggest successes came in, because I wouldn’t have had. Investing access to those deals to begin with. So in a sense, screwing up so badly and putting in this big chunk that went to zero, ended up being a huge blessing in disguise because it forced me to look at other avenues of entering deals.

[33:20] Tim Ferriss: I e as an advisor that. Had I only been cutting checks, probably wouldn’t have enabled me to get into certain startups like Uber at the time, which had a different name and well first stumble upon which led to Uber, and then that’s another actually one could call mistake. But because stumble upon. Turned to zero for me.

[33:41] Tim Ferriss: Yeah, I remember that website. Led, led, led to Uber. And then, uh, a bunch of others like Shopify for instance. I mean, I became an advisor at Shopify when they had something like eight employees, and now it’s a publicly traded company with like thousands of sure. Employees. I don’t know. It’s all numbers. So those are a few that come to mind.

[33:58] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Quick interruption. Hey, if you like what you’re hearing, be sure to get the notes, quotes, and links in the action plan from this episode. Just go to jimharshawjr.com/action. That’s jimharshawjr.com/action to get your free copy of the action plan. Now, back to the show. You know, Tony Robbins says, the quality of your life is directly proportional to the quality of the questions that you ask yourself.

[34:21] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Like, are there other questions that you ask yourself? So for example, like, you know, having interviewed hundreds of people for the podcast here, these world-class performers and you know, a handful of guests that we’ve interviewed in common, and what I find is that. You know, their success is never based on or rarely based on doing the thing that they are well known for.

[34:42] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: It’s always some version of hitting the pause button, and I’ve given it a definition, I call it the productive pause, and the definition is it’s a short period of focused reflection around specific questions that leads to clarity of action and peace of mind. And I find a lot of clarity of action and peace of mind.

[34:59] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: When I listen to you talk about some of these questions, are there other questions that you use or have used in the past that allow you to cut through that psychological red tape to help you make decisions?

[35:15] Tim Ferriss: Definitely. And before I answer that, I will answer that, but I want to return to the optimal routine or optimal performance through routine point I made earlier, which is that I need routine just to get to normal first.

[35:29] Tim Ferriss: That’s the reason for routine for me, and similarly, I should just as an example, say that I almost never have journalists shadow me for a period of time. I get a lot of requests from writers, some very good writers who I respect a lot, who want to say, track me for a day or two and record what I do and tell the story.

[35:55] Tim Ferriss: And I, at least in the last 10 years have not really done much of that. It might be an afternoon, but never a day or two. And that’s because if people listening to this, or if you were to look at what I do on a daily basis, you would think to yourself most of the time, How does this guy get anything done?

[36:15] Tim Ferriss: Because I’m puttering around, I’m making tea, I’m coming up with excuses not to do what I should be doing. I’m taking the dog for a walk when the dog’s already had three walks. I’m doing all of these things that would, uh, well, they don’t just look like procrastinating. They are procrastinating. And a lot of the time I will seem and am very unfocused.

[36:35] Tim Ferriss: So the moral of the story is that it’s not about being optimally efficient for me, because that’s an impossible. Finish line. It’s about choosing the right targets and asking the right questions so that you can still produce tremendous success in outsized returns, even if you only get a few things right.

[37:02] Tim Ferriss: Does that make sense? Because it doesn’t matter. Yeah. Yeah, it does. It doesn’t matter how many mistakes you make, and this is obviously super simple, simplified, but you can make a lot of mistakes. You can get a lot of the day wrong, as long as say, through 80/20 analysis, which sounds like you’ve covered a lot on the show before.

[37:21] Tim Ferriss: You’re choosing even for 60 minutes or 30 minutes of your day, you are focused on something that is very high leverage. So the questions that can help with that are things like, and this might sound unconnected, but what might this look like if it were easy? So if you’re, if you’re trying to come up with an answer, what might this look like?

[37:44] Tim Ferriss: If it were easy and then journaling on it, it’s not enough to think about it. You have to put pen to paper or type this out. I like handwriting personally. Like what might this look like if, if it were easy, and this could be anything, but you know, you mentioned Tony Robbins. I mean another expression of his is complexity is the enemy of of execution.

[38:03] Tim Ferriss: And I think that that’s true all over the place. Whether it’s relationships, whether it’s investing, whether it’s parenting, whether it’s coaching sports like complexity is very often the enemy of execution. So what might this, writing a book, what might this, looking at my finances, what might this fill in the blank look like if it were easy, right?

[38:26] Tim Ferriss: That’s one. Another is what do I find? Easier to do than my friends. Like, whoa, what do my friends consider me good at? That I find easy, that they find more difficult, right? A lot of my questions are seemingly absurd, right? But for instance, and I wanna stop for

[38:48] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: just a second, Tim, like for listener, like take those in as always.

[38:53] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: I’ll have these in the action plan. You can go to jimharshaw jr.com/action. Download these. They’ll be right there. You can print them out, save them, whatever.

[39:00] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: But like digest, just any one of those questions, I mean really stop, productive. Pause, stop, answer that question. If you’re driving or on the treadmill right now, like answer that out loud for yourself.

[39:12] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Speak it out loud. Or as soon as you get back to your desk or somewhere where you can write, like write out the answer to that around. Pick anything, like any, any channel like, like Tim said, you know, any, you know, whether it’s finances, relationships, health, whatever it is, like digest those. But, sorry, go ahead, Tim, if you have

[39:26] Tim Ferriss: Yeah.

[39:27] Tim Ferriss: More to add there. No, I was, I was going to add an emphasis on absurd questions and the purpose of the absurd questions, much like the Peter Teal. You know, why can’t you accomplish your 10 year goals in the next six months, or any variant of that is that it productively shatters your. Current process for answering questions, you need to sort of break the boundaries of your brainstorming to even attempt to answer a question like that.

[39:59] Tim Ferriss: And similarly, I’ll ask questions. I almost never ask a question like, how can I increase podcast revenue 10%? That is not a question that I will ever ask. Generally, the question that I’ll ask, even if it ends up producing 10% additional revenue, is how, if I had to gun against the head, come up with a list of options for 10 Xing, the revenue of the podcast, 10 x, not 10%, 10 xing the revenue of this podcast this year, what might that look like?

[40:30] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Yeah. It brings you to different places and to different answers and suggestions and ideas than,

[40:34] Tim Ferriss: than the 10% question. Yeah. And, and it doesn’t have to be financial. The financial is just easy to use as an example because it includes a measurable, but it, it could be something like, how could I. So what I would consider a, an unhelpful question is how can I stress less about money?

[40:49] Tim Ferriss: It’s not inspiring, it’s not sharp enough in a sense, for me at least, to get a mental foothold into. So I might ask something like, how could I, if I had to, right? Again, this is, this is not a nice to have, like if you had to gun against the head, you have to decrease your financial worries 90%. And Irealize this is, this is gonna be a sensitive question and example because there are people, including family members of mine who have been laid off from service jobs that are in very difficult positions, right?

[41:19] Tim Ferriss: So I, I’m not trying to trivialize these difficulties, but even if you are in a very difficult. Set of circumstances, these types of exercises in writing, using these questions as prompt can bring up ideas that would never otherwise occur to you as options, right? So if you had to gun against ahead, decrease your financial worries 90%, what might you do?

[41:46] Tim Ferriss: And the answers could be like, I’m not giving financial advice and not a registered investment advisor. None of that. But in my case, right? It could be like, I’m gonna sell everything even at a depressed price and go completely to cash. Right? Now I’m not gonna do that because I think it’s a bad idea for a bunch of reasons.

[42:01] Tim Ferriss: But that could be one that I put on the list, okay? Another one could be, right, okay, 90% if I ask that question, I need to decrease my financial worry 90%. Well, which asset classes are giving me. The most kind of headache per dollar, right? Or difficulty of sleeping per dollar, right? And let’s just say hypothetically, that’s real estate.

[42:26] Tim Ferriss: Okay, well maybe I make a loss on the real estate. And then guess what? I already brainstormed this. What if I had to 10 x my podcast revenue? I can make up those losses via the podcast. Let me cut those assets or let me figure out a way to. Call my bank and renegotiate the mortgages. Can I do that? I don’t know.

[42:43] Tim Ferriss: Okay. But that’s an idea that came about because I asked the question, how can I decrease my worries 90% if you’re in a position where you’re unemployed. Okay, well, would starting a business on, I already mentioned one of these companies, you know, Shopify or Woo Commerce or something like that, would that provide me with some optimism to offset that 90%, even if it doesn’t turn out successful, would reaching out to friends of mine and asking them, even if I don’t need the money now, would you be willing to help me for a period of time, three to six months as a group of 10, 20 people?

[43:16] Tim Ferriss: Would that make you feel better? Just to have asked, right? So that you hopefully get some positive feedback or to create a GoFundMe page that might provide you with, with some help, or applying to a small business, you know, SBA loan or fill in the blank, right? You’ll come up with a different list based on that question, then you would.

[43:37] Tim Ferriss: If you ask something more general, like, how can I make myself feel better? How can I worry less about finances? Make it ambitious, and that ambition in my experience just produces a better list of options that you’ll brainstorm from which you’ll find better, act possible action steps. Tim,

[43:56] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: is this why you’ve been able to create such outsized results?

[44:00] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Because there’s people listening right now who say, well, I have these morning routines and I also like to procrastinate and wa, you know, walk my dog for a third time and then go get another cup of coffee and then check email for a while. Right? Is this why you’ve been able to create outsized results if you were able to boil it down to, well, Iguess sort of two questions here.

[44:17] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Number one, like one habit, like if, is there one habit that you do or have done that you would most credit with your success? And number two, Is there also a mindset and a belief that

[44:30] Tim Ferriss: goes along with this? Yeah, the morning routines and all that stuff is just scaffolding. That’s not the project, that’s what supports building whatever you’re building.

[44:40] Tim Ferriss: But it’s just safety net for me of sorts, routines, at least. A lot of the routines we’ve discussed did not help you pick targets. So Isuppose if I had to pick a routine or a habit that helps me to do that, it’s asking seemingly ridiculous questions, whether it’s in business, finance, friendship, I ask questions that would reflect a level ambi of ambition.

[45:10] Tim Ferriss: Or delusion that would make me seem ridiculous to say friends of mine from 20 years ago, right? Or less so my friends now, because I’ve surrounded myself with people who do the same thing. But I’d say there are a few things that come to mind. The first is asking these absurd questions and um, I have a blog post that maybe you could put in the show notes.

[45:35] Tim Ferriss: It’s something like 11 Questions that Changed my Life, or 17 Questions that Changed My Life, which lists out a number of these questions that I use regularly. Like am I hunting antelope or field mice, right? Is one which we, we can get into later, but a lot of it boils down to 80 20 Principle. I would read, uh, you know, Richard Koch, k o c h 80 20 principle.

[45:58] Tim Ferriss: He has a number of these books so you can kind of pick whichever one appeals to you. But I would read that. I would then emphasize, I think my results have come from. Routines that keep me from flaming out or self-destructing. So, which is a lot of what I’ve described then asking absurd questions, running tests, and looking at 80 20 analysis.

[46:22] Tim Ferriss: Routinely using this exercise called fear setting to try to ensure that I’m not paralyzed by unfounded fears. Some fears will be well-founded, but a lot of them will not be. So fear setting, people can find that at tim.blog/Ted. And they’ll also see the TED talk that talks about the college brush with suicide if they’d like to see that.

[46:43] Tim Ferriss: And one more habit that, uh, it’s really a collection habits that I’d like to mention, and that is number one, assuming that you are the average of the five people you associate with most financially, emotionally, in terms of asking questions. You are the average of the five people you associate with most.

[47:01] Tim Ferriss: And so you, you really want to proactively try to develop relationships with people who will make you better and people who you can make better. And uh, so it’s very helpful then to have complimentary skills but not exactly the same skills. And one habit that I get into that I engage in, which is, which is a question really, or a request that I see commonly across a lot of my friends who are very, very high performers, is they consistently ask their smart friends to tear apart their ideas.

[47:40] Tim Ferriss: So, for instance, one of my friends very successful in many domains, many, many domains as an operator, as a business builder, as an investor, as a husband, and so on. But in the investing world, just because it’s the easiest one to use with numbers and a scoreboard, he hired someone full-time to help him manage investments.

[48:03] Tim Ferriss: And every time this friend has an investment idea, let’s say he wants to buy Amazon, just making it up. He will ask the person he hired to come up with every reason why he should not buy Amazon. Like, I want you to talk me out of everything that I want to buy and if I wanna sell something, I want you to ta try to talk me out of it.

[48:26] Tim Ferriss: So he is actively trying to solicit disconfirming evidence

[48:31] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: and trying to truly get to both

[48:34] Tim Ferriss: sides of the story. Yeah, exactly. And to always look at the opposite side, right? So if, if someone gives you five reasons why you should buy X, then he would ask, okay, well once you buy it, what are the five reasons you would sell it?

[48:50] Tim Ferriss: And if someone can’t answer the second question, it should lead you to question perhaps how well thought through the first set of recommendations are. So I will oftentimes, whether it’s in a personal relationship, let’s just say I’m, I’m thinking of how to improve my relationship with my girlfriend, or I’m thinking about anything, right?

[49:11] Tim Ferriss: It could be improving my, my relationship with my dog, or dog training or investing or whatever. If I, if I have an idea that I think is a good idea, one of the first things I’ll do is call. One of my friends, I think is not necessarily a domain experts, but someone who is really a key part of our friendship is that we can speak blunt truth to each other, and that is so valuable in a world of kind of glad handing and political correctness.

[49:35] Tim Ferriss: Somebody who can just be like, That’s a terrible idea. Let me tell you six reasons why. I will go to them and I will give them the idea and say, I want you to pick that apart. Like please try to dismantle that and pick it apart. Like I want to know where that could be wrong. I want to know how that could backfire.

[49:53] Tim Ferriss: That’s another habit I would say that has become increasingly, increasingly valuable. And LA last but not least, like how have I succeeded? A lot of its luck. Like, I mean, there is a lot of timing involved with this, but I’m always looking for asymmetric bets. Asymmetric bets means. Whether it’s the first sports nutrition company that I started, whether it’s with say the writing of the first book, the startup investing, I’m looking for investments, bets.

[50:25] Tim Ferriss: Investments, by the way, also apply to your time. It’s not just money we’re talking about, right? If you’re a human, you are an investor, you are deciding how to allocate your resources, including time. So whether you like it or not, you’re an investor. And I’m looking for bets that have a very limited downside.

[50:40] Tim Ferriss: I can understand the downside and cap the downside. I understand that really well, and there are ways that I can cap it. Such as with the two year real world MBA that I created with the sort of 120k over two years with the Tim Ferris funds, like Max Downside, financially 120K, right? It’s defined. It’s defined, but the max upside could be 10x, 100x, 1000x and those numbers don’t have to be that big.

[51:07] Tim Ferriss: But I’m constantly thinking about asymmetric returns and a few resources that I think are helpful for that. You mentioned Tony Robbins. I think his book on Money Master the Game has some good examples of that. I think More Money Than God, which is a book about hedge funds, although I would generally warn people away from investing in hedge funds.

[51:28] Tim Ferriss: That world has become very, very different since that book was written. But nonetheless, gives you a good example of asymmetric bets and how to think about asymmetric bets, not just in stock market, which I think can be very risky, not just in finances, but all over the place. Right? Like what are the little things you could do that have the possibility of a big impact?

[51:51] Tim Ferriss: And if we look at say, a relationship, it’s not like the big gigantic conversations that make the difference. It can be something really small. It’s like, okay, I’m gonna commit to like writing a really loving note on a post-it note at least once a week. And like putting it on the mirror that I know my partner’s gonna see.

[52:13] Tim Ferriss: That is an asymmetric bet. A lot of upside to that. Very little, little downside. Yeah. So if I had to try to. Parse out the things that seem to have worked for me. Those are, those are a few that come to mind. And I am wrong more often than I’m right. I mean, Ido think that I make a lot of mistakes. I overspend, I screw things up.

[52:33] Tim Ferriss: I piss off my girlfriend. I do all sorts of things that are the opposite of optimal. But because I ask these absurd questions, which help you to find asymmetric bets on a routine basis, and I journal, don’t just think about it and I journal on these things, I can make better decisions, right? So, for instance, this is top of mind for me, so I apologize if, if this to everybody listening, if this seems.

[53:01] Tim Ferriss: One dimensional, but it’s not because the financial examples I’m giving, as I described it earlier, really bleed over into a lot of other areas. So one of the reasons, and I was journaling in morning pages yesterday, and I realized part of the reason I’m feeling a lot of stress around finances is I feel I need to make decisions now.

[53:22] Tim Ferriss: I feel like there’s so much flux. I spotted, I mean, coronavirus, I’ve been tracking since January. I have really, up until at least two or three weeks ago, was able to predict things very accurately. So given all that, I, I’m, I’ve been feeling tremendous time pressure to act, but I’ve been reading to try to offset that in some respect.

[53:44] Tim Ferriss: So like Warren Buffet, don’t just do something, stand there. Although it’s very, very simplified. So I was asking. In the journaling process, all of these questions, and they weren’t quite right. I could see how these questions were gonna produce garbage answers, like garbage A and garbage out. So if you ask yourself, what the hell is wrong with me?

[54:01] Tim Ferriss: Your brain is a meaning-making machine. It’s going to give you answers, right? If you ask, why didn’t I do X? You’re gonna come up with 10 reasons you should whip yourself. And I was producing those types of questions and I recognized that those were gonna be really unhelpful. And then one of the questions I came up with was, what types of opportunities might I be able to find if I’m forced to wait a month or two months before making any, taking any action?

[54:31] Tim Ferriss: And just that alone. There are going to be options. This is not a short-term experience from an economic perspective that we’re going through right now. There are going to be opportunities later, and in my case, I asked what might opportunities look like that I can wait for for a month or two that I have unique access to?

[54:49] Tim Ferriss: Right? And that’s not going to apply to everyone listening to this, but if you’ve gone through the thought press of a process of asking yourself, what do I find easier than my friends? What do my friends say I do? Well, that surprises me, right? When you start to ask these questions early on and you’re looking at asymmetric bets and you’re figuring out what you are not only good at, but have greater endurance for because you find them easier to do over time, as you look at the world through these lenses, you’re going to get to the point where you have unique perspective, unique ability, unique endurance, unique fill in the blank, or I should say unique enough.

[55:32] Tim Ferriss: In those categories that over time viewing the world through the eyes of a scientist, a k a, there is no such thing as a failed experiment. As long as you design it properly, you look at the results and you learn from it. Failure is feedback, right? It’s all feedback. So you come up with low cost, fast, you know, limited duration experiments, asymmetric bets.

[55:56] Tim Ferriss: So you’re never betting the farm on anything. I find that eventually luck will be on your side, and I’m sure that’s a simplistic way of viewing the world, but that’s how it’s worked for, you know, dozens of my friends, I’ve seen friends go from making, you know, a hundred thousand dollars or less a year to being billionaires.

[56:15] Tim Ferriss: I’ve seen multiple friends of mine do that, and there’s a tremendous amount of luck involved that I don’t think being a billionaire is necessarily a laudable goal. And, uh, most of them got there. Not having that as a goal, but. They seem to have approached it in a very similar way. So those are my best attempts at a few, few ideas at

[56:34] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: least.

[56:35] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Yeah, Tim, you have given us the goal right there. I mean, really how to have outsized results, really, which is what we’re all looking to do, right? And to have better results in anything, right? Whether it’s our work, whether it’s our relationships, whether it’s our, our health and our fitness, or time spent with our kids or, or whatever it is.

[56:52] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: That’s concrete, actionable stuff that we can do. So Tim, thank you

[56:57] Tim Ferriss: so much. You’re very welcome. And, uh, last but not least, I should also say I know sent to millionaires, people who have hundreds of millions of dollars who are completely miserable. So lest do you believe that, that all of that is going to fix all of your problems?

[57:12] Tim Ferriss: Pick up a book called Radical Acceptance by Tara Brock, b r a c h also, and, uh, consider giving that a gander. There’s another one called Already Free by Bruce Tift, T I F T, which I find exceptional. So you could look at both of those and consider them as an adjunct to whatever professional pursuits you might go after.

[57:34] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Excellent. Yeah. And for the listener as always, I’ll have those in in the action plan.

[57:38] Tim Ferriss: Wonderful. Thanks for the

[57:39] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: time, Tim. Thank you so much for your time and for the listener. Uh, well, Tim, why don’t you tell the listener for, for anybody who’s hiding under a rock out there where they can find you, follow you, uh, get your five bullet Friday emails,

[57:50] Tim Ferriss: et cetera.

[57:50] Tim Ferriss: Yeah. You can find everything@tim.blog. I have, uh, put up probably close to a thousand blog posts over the years. You can find them sort of by topic. So language, learning, investing, whatever you want. The podcast has about, it’s close to 500 million downloads now and focuses on routines, habits, tools that high performers use that that can be found at tim.blog/podcast and if people want one to start with, I’d suggest they listen to Derek Severs. His is hilarious. So Derek Severs, s i v e r S. So if you just go to Tim, do Log podcast and search Sys, you’ll find some really fun stuff. And then the newsletter. Yeah, I send out a newsletter every Friday.

[58:31] Tim Ferriss: It’s the five most interesting. Fascinating or useful things that week that I’ve found often. They are things I’m listening to, things I’m reading, gadgets, gizmos, supplements, hacks. Well, as much as I tend to dislike that word these days, but sort of clever workaround. Anything that I have found that has really caught my attention that week, I put in this free newsletter goes out to between one 2 million people every Friday and it’s been gone for years now.

[59:00] Tim Ferriss: I love it. And you can, you can sign up for that for free at tim.blog/friday. Excellent.

[59:07] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Tim, thank you so much for making time to come on the show.

[59:10] Tim Ferriss: Yeah, my pleasure, man. Thanks for listening.

[59:15] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: If you want to apply these principles into your life, let’s talk. You can see the limited spaces that are open on my calendar jimharshawjr.com/apply, where you can sign up for a free one-time coaching call directly.

[59:28] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: With me, and don’t forget to grab your action plan. Just go to jimharshawjr.com/action. And lastly, iTunes tends to suggest podcasts

[59:37] Tim Ferriss: with more ratings and reviews more often.

[59:40] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: You would totally make my day if you give me a rating and review. Those go a long way in helping me grow the podcast audience.

[59:47] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Just open up your podcast app. If you have an iPhone, do a search for success through failure, select it, and then scroll the whole way to the bottom where you can leave the podcast, a rating and a review. Now, I hope this isn’t just another podcast episode for you. I hope you take action on what you learned here today.
[01:00:05] Jim Harshaw, Jr.: Good luck and thanks for listening.

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